tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-55727507006016944.post2445576328043895654..comments2023-11-02T04:25:49.697-07:00Comments on Northwoods Seelsorger: Women and JewelryDonald V. Engebretsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13048205066519140869noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-55727507006016944.post-48327417249664453692007-05-29T06:13:00.000-07:002007-05-29T06:13:00.000-07:00Dave, as I posted previously I have both Lutheran ...Dave, as I posted previously I have both Lutheran and Catholic relatives (including a Catholic husband) so I am very much a part of both worlds. That gives me more than enough justification to visit Lutheran and Catholic blogs.<BR/><BR/>I guess *I* find it somewhat weird to find a self-professed Catholic commenting on a Lutheran blog when that Catholic is himself in schism with the Universal Church. You know very well that Catholics in communion with the Holy See are not supposed to attend Mass at an SSPX liturgy.<BR/><BR/>And that's where I'll leave it because I don't want to be an annoyance to our kind bloghost.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-55727507006016944.post-56981748418808895492007-05-26T06:05:00.000-07:002007-05-26T06:05:00.000-07:00Christine,Why as a Lutheran would you care if I we...Christine,<BR/>Why as a Lutheran would you care if I went from being in full schism in Lutheranism to technically in schism (much debated even in the Vatican) when you yourself are still in full schism by being a Lutheran?<BR/>That's like the pot calling the kettle black.<BR/>Personally, I don't hold that Lutherans are truly in full schism and neither do I believe that the Orthdox are either. <BR/>You're going to find this weird, but maybe you should not being a Lutheran, but I think it is the liberal/modernists in the Catholic Church (those who made Vatican II) that are the ones in schism from the true faith. <BR/>You may not agree with that, but there are many things that I do not disagree with Vatican II, that are leading people away from the Truth. And its not really a misreading of what it was supposed to say. Rather, the fruit of Vatican II is because of what it says. <BR/>That's why I like the SSPX over the Novus Ordo. That's why I like the Traditional Lutherans and Orthodox over the Novus Ordo. <BR/>But I do find it weird to have a Lutheran concerned about the SSPX being in schism. That's just weird.<BR/><BR/>Dave318@Niceahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01868995577231032951noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-55727507006016944.post-70425328189571664662007-05-25T12:35:00.000-07:002007-05-25T12:35:00.000-07:00Dave, you grew up Lutheran and now you are a membe...Dave, you grew up Lutheran and now you are a member of the technically schismatic SSPX? I'm somewhat surprised.<BR/><BR/>It is my hope that Pope Benedict and future popes will make some headway in implementing the documents of Vatican II as they *really* are.<BR/><BR/>I guess because I grew up with one Lutheran and one Catholic parent I've always been mystified at how some Catholics get stuck on issues involving Latin, chapel veils, etc. etc. The Catholic Church has always adapted as to how she spreads the Gospel in every change even though the message doesn't change. Even most Orthodox parishes in America use English now instead of Greek, Russian or Church Slavonic.<BR/><BR/>That some housecleaning needs to be done is beyond doubt, but it amuses me to hear hypertraditional Catholics (and I'm not referring here to you at all) criticize Luther for the Reformation and then put all their eggs into the basket of renegade bishops such as LeFebvre.<BR/><BR/>Frankly, when I attend Mass with my Catholic relatives at local parishes I'm grateful for some of the changes Vatican II wrought. They were way overdue.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-55727507006016944.post-54404797328418558762007-05-25T08:11:00.000-07:002007-05-25T08:11:00.000-07:00The SSPX stands for the Society of Pope St. Pius X...The SSPX stands for the Society of Pope St. Pius X. <BR/>When Vatican II took place, many of the conservative, traditional arch-bishops and bishops were left out of the council. Thus, liberal/modernism took over the Vatican and the product was Vatican II. Also, Vatican II did away with the traditional Latin Mass and presented the Novus Ordo Mass, which opened the door for all kinds of abuses. One arch-bishop opposed the council because it contradicted Vatican I, where St. Pius X declared that the Catholic Church would never partake of modernism, liberalism, or higher criticism. St. Pius X, also had declared that the Traditional Latin Mass would be the only way Catholics would worship God.<BR/>In 1989, when liberalism and false ecumenism took over the Catholic Church in an out of control way, two arch-bishops, the most famous of the two, Archbishop Levebre, took matters into their own hands. Canon law states that in the case when Tradition is in danger an Archbishop can consecrate Traditional bishops to preserve Tradition and Truth. This was from the time of the Arian crisis, certain faithful archbishops had consecrated bishops who would keep the true faith, despite the Arians holding five sees. And when the Arian crisis finally ended Tradition was preserved.<BR/>JP II, excommunicated archbishop levebre and the four new bishops, but not the priests or the laity that had now formed the Traditional Catholic faith, now known as the Society of Saint Pius X (sspx). <BR/>The new Pope is trying to get the SSPX back into full communion with Rome again, but the Liberals, especially those in the secret Freemason soceity called Opus Dei, are opposing it and trying to stomp out the SSPX. However, the SSPX is in 32 countries and is growing more and more everyday. <BR/>As a matter of fact I just recently posted some questions and answers from one of the SSPX Bishops, Bishop Williamson who talks about this a little bit. <BR/><BR/>Dave318@Niceahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01868995577231032951noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-55727507006016944.post-17845677200587142352007-05-25T06:43:00.000-07:002007-05-25T06:43:00.000-07:00I agree that where there is an issue with this leg...I agree that where there is an issue with this legalism is probably behind much of it, although many in the SDA and Amish traditions would not admit to it. <BR/><BR/>BTW, forgive my ignorance on this, but what does SSPX stand for? I saw you mention it in a recent blog article over on your site, and I'm curious as to what it stands for.<BR/><BR/>Thanks,<BR/>Pastor E.Donald V. Engebretsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13048205066519140869noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-55727507006016944.post-17262415390846986452007-05-25T05:27:00.000-07:002007-05-25T05:27:00.000-07:00Pastor,I agree. In the SSPX, are women are require...Pastor,<BR/>I agree. In the SSPX, are women are required to wear dresses and chapel veils for Mass. Outside of Mass they are not to wear the veils because St. Paul only states that is for worship only. <BR/>However, the women are still beautiful and wear jewelry and make up, and even up to date clothing, yet they do it in a modest way. <BR/>Just as the Apostle Peter said, it should never be to show off, but it is not forbidden. <BR/>There is a way for Christian women to be up with the times and modest at the same time.<BR/>Most of the time where there is an issue it is either legalism or rebellion, which are the two extremes that Satan always tempts Christians.<BR/>Good post.<BR/>Dave318@Niceahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01868995577231032951noreply@blogger.com