Protests Erupt Over Proposal 8
Although the voters have spoken by a fair majority (see previous post on this vote), the gay community is still crying crying foul. They are now actively targeting the LDS church and the well-known Saddleback Church in Forest, California for their support of the passage of Proposition 8. More comments to follow the article below.
Protests sweep across Calif. on post-Prop 8 Sunday
By THOMAS WATKINS, Associated Press Writer Thomas Watkins, Associated Press Writer – Sun Nov 9, 6:55 pm ET
LOS ANGELES – On the first Sunday after a gay marriage ban passed in California, activists rallied in defiance, including hundreds of protesters outside an Orange County megachurch whose pastor brought Barack Obama and John McCain together last summer for a "faith forum."
About 300 gay-rights advocates fanned out along sidewalks leading to Saddleback Church in Lake Forest to voice their anger of the church's support of Proposition 8, a constitutional amendment approved by voters Tuesday that overturns a state Supreme Court decision in May legalizing same-sex unions.
Ed Todeschini, a Human Rights Campaign volunteer, accused Saddleback in particular of helping propagate what he called misinformation about the Supreme Court ruling, including that gay marriage would have to be taught to kindergartners.
A message seeking comment left at the church's main office, which was closed Sunday, was not immediately returned.
"They told such obvious lies. They used their lies to deceive the public," Todeschini said of the church, which gained national attention in August when its pastor, Rick Warren, brought Obama and McCain together to discuss their religious faith. The two candidates embraced during an often-contentious presidential campaign.
Todeschini said Sunday's rally was peaceful, with demonstrators waving placards with slogans including "Equality for all" and "Shame on you."
The amendment was passed last week with 52 percent of the vote, and backlash at churches over their support swept across California on Sunday after days of protests.
In Oakland, a large protest at the city's Mormon temple led the California Highway Patrol to close two highway ramps to ensure pedestrian safety. Protest organizers said they hoped to tone down the anger that has characterized some previous demonstrations.
"Our intent is not to disturb churchgoers," organizer Tim DeBenedictis said in a statement. "Our goal is to mend fences and build bridges so that all Californians can achieve marriage equality under the law."
The pastor of the 4,000-member All Saints Church in Pasadena spoke out against Proposition 8, calling the religious community's support of it "embarrassing."
The church announced that while it could no longer legally marry same-sex couples, it would continue blessing gay civil unions.
"It's very unfortunate and embarrassing that the (Christian religion) is in large part responsible for this act of bigotry," the Rev. Ed Bacon said after his sermon.
In Sacramento, a protest at the state Capitol was boisterous but peaceful as speakers led the crowd in noisy chants. Protesters waved rainbow flags, a symbol of the gay rights movement, and "No on 8" signs as police watched from the side.
Speaking on CNN's "Late Edition" Sunday, Republican Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger expressed disappointment at Proposition 8's passage.
"It is unfortunate," Schwarzenegger said. "But it is not the end because I think this will go back into the courts. ... It's the same as in the 1948 case when blacks and whites were not allowed to marry. This falls into the same category."_
Associated Press writer Marcus Wohlsen in San Francisco contributed to this report.
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Well, I guess I am now to be labeled "bigoted" for my religious views on homosexuality. So be it. Interpreting the Scriptures as they are revealed is now considered a narrow-minded and hateful approach to Holy Writ. If the Rev. Bacon is "embarrased" by the church's involvment in promoting Proposition 8, I would like to say that I am equally "embarrased" that a Christian clergyman and his church would actively support that which the Scriptures clearly condemn. This is the division that occurs when the Bible is robbed of its inspired and infallible character.
One more note: With due respect to the Governor, this is not the same as when blacks and whites were not allowed to marry. That was an issue of race, and clearly wrong. But homosexuality is a behavior issue. While we have the freedom to behave as we wish, assuming no one is injured or wronged, the issue of gay marriage is about changing the definition of a cultural institution. Gay may continue to legally live together. That is not the argument here. The point is whether the legal definition of marriage is going to be changed. To this the voters of California have clearly answered. They said no. Let's leave it at that.
Protests sweep across Calif. on post-Prop 8 Sunday
By THOMAS WATKINS, Associated Press Writer Thomas Watkins, Associated Press Writer – Sun Nov 9, 6:55 pm ET
LOS ANGELES – On the first Sunday after a gay marriage ban passed in California, activists rallied in defiance, including hundreds of protesters outside an Orange County megachurch whose pastor brought Barack Obama and John McCain together last summer for a "faith forum."
About 300 gay-rights advocates fanned out along sidewalks leading to Saddleback Church in Lake Forest to voice their anger of the church's support of Proposition 8, a constitutional amendment approved by voters Tuesday that overturns a state Supreme Court decision in May legalizing same-sex unions.
Ed Todeschini, a Human Rights Campaign volunteer, accused Saddleback in particular of helping propagate what he called misinformation about the Supreme Court ruling, including that gay marriage would have to be taught to kindergartners.
A message seeking comment left at the church's main office, which was closed Sunday, was not immediately returned.
"They told such obvious lies. They used their lies to deceive the public," Todeschini said of the church, which gained national attention in August when its pastor, Rick Warren, brought Obama and McCain together to discuss their religious faith. The two candidates embraced during an often-contentious presidential campaign.
Todeschini said Sunday's rally was peaceful, with demonstrators waving placards with slogans including "Equality for all" and "Shame on you."
The amendment was passed last week with 52 percent of the vote, and backlash at churches over their support swept across California on Sunday after days of protests.
In Oakland, a large protest at the city's Mormon temple led the California Highway Patrol to close two highway ramps to ensure pedestrian safety. Protest organizers said they hoped to tone down the anger that has characterized some previous demonstrations.
"Our intent is not to disturb churchgoers," organizer Tim DeBenedictis said in a statement. "Our goal is to mend fences and build bridges so that all Californians can achieve marriage equality under the law."
The pastor of the 4,000-member All Saints Church in Pasadena spoke out against Proposition 8, calling the religious community's support of it "embarrassing."
The church announced that while it could no longer legally marry same-sex couples, it would continue blessing gay civil unions.
"It's very unfortunate and embarrassing that the (Christian religion) is in large part responsible for this act of bigotry," the Rev. Ed Bacon said after his sermon.
In Sacramento, a protest at the state Capitol was boisterous but peaceful as speakers led the crowd in noisy chants. Protesters waved rainbow flags, a symbol of the gay rights movement, and "No on 8" signs as police watched from the side.
Speaking on CNN's "Late Edition" Sunday, Republican Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger expressed disappointment at Proposition 8's passage.
"It is unfortunate," Schwarzenegger said. "But it is not the end because I think this will go back into the courts. ... It's the same as in the 1948 case when blacks and whites were not allowed to marry. This falls into the same category."_
Associated Press writer Marcus Wohlsen in San Francisco contributed to this report.
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Well, I guess I am now to be labeled "bigoted" for my religious views on homosexuality. So be it. Interpreting the Scriptures as they are revealed is now considered a narrow-minded and hateful approach to Holy Writ. If the Rev. Bacon is "embarrased" by the church's involvment in promoting Proposition 8, I would like to say that I am equally "embarrased" that a Christian clergyman and his church would actively support that which the Scriptures clearly condemn. This is the division that occurs when the Bible is robbed of its inspired and infallible character.
One more note: With due respect to the Governor, this is not the same as when blacks and whites were not allowed to marry. That was an issue of race, and clearly wrong. But homosexuality is a behavior issue. While we have the freedom to behave as we wish, assuming no one is injured or wronged, the issue of gay marriage is about changing the definition of a cultural institution. Gay may continue to legally live together. That is not the argument here. The point is whether the legal definition of marriage is going to be changed. To this the voters of California have clearly answered. They said no. Let's leave it at that.
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